Showing posts with label Paul Goring. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Paul Goring. Show all posts

Monday, August 19, 2013

Coaching In Extremis

I have recently completed an assignment working for an HE employer who was remodelling part of its business which meant that a sizeable number of their staff, in a specific department, were put on notice of redundancy. This was a tough time for all of the staff involved having been employed from anything between 20 years and just a few months. Having worked on projects like this before it was gratifying to be contacted by the HR Manager looking after the project who asked me to get involved based on previous  performance recommendations.

The employer had allocated a one to one session (more if needed) for me to spend with each member of the team to act as a neutral and confidential sounding board as well as coaching them through some application, interview and confidence techniques. I saw 20 plus people in a few weeks and on reflecting on my contribution, the feedback I received from the individuals and the bigger picture of how this phenomena impacts people (and is becoming more prevalent) I thought I would share my thoughts here.

First of all let us not make the mistake of underestimating what a huge emotional impact this kind of strategic decision has on the people involved. The stress that being in fear of your future creates is significant and can be damaging to the employer / employee relationship going forwards. Of course if something can be improved then it should be, if costs can be reduced and standards maintained then they should be but morale is part of the fabric of any business / institution and the work done by Kettley back in the 90’s is still relevant today  (Employee Morale During Downsizing, Kettley P. Report 291, Institute for Employment Studies, 1995) because decisions like this are not as clear cut in reality as they appear on the spreasheet and must never be all about numbers; there are really good business and humanitarian reasons not to forget the people factor.

You can make judgements on whether one session is sufficient, all I can say is that in my experience one is so much more valuable than none! The staff that took up the option to use their session (over 90% did) all came with needs; emotional, skill related, confidence based and practical and all presented very different challenges to me as a coach. They all embraced the opportunity, did not blame and were so receptive to what I could offer them. Someone else metaphorically standing by their side with experience of the application process, panel interviews (and offering insight into what managers want to see in both) was so well received that I questioned what those same talented, experienced and capable professionals would have done without that support, understanding and information and how it would have made them feel and more importantly how it would have impacted their performance in putting together their applications and facing the interview panel with potentially serious consequences.

I have been involved in some research around the subject of Personal Brand developing a model and work shop content for careerist and creatives and the process I have been talking about above for me really pulled the need for awareness and understanding of the whole Personal Brand piece into sharp focus. Since our PB is tested and most exposed when we ask (or are forced) to be judged in extremis for example an interview, pitch or networking environment.

Many of my clients in this process had robust and well developed personal brands but had somehow lost their connection with them and one of the most significant conversations that I had with many of them was around the importance of performing to your best under pressure to ensure that your skills, experience and USP’s are communicated clearly to those that matter; the judges (panel).

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I guess that my recent experience and understanding of the value of personal brand in practice means I can only recommend that HR and L&D functions would be well served to consider how they might enhance performance and confidence of their human resource through using this stuff as part of the development and support they give their people day to day rather than only being forced to consider it in extremis.
 



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Thursday, June 20, 2013

Attracting, Engaging and Keeping Talent....the future of your business.

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After his emotionally intelligent last post, Paul Goring returns to discuss one of my favourite topics, namely talent management at every stage of an employee life cycle. (Ed Scrivener)


Attracting, Engaging and Keeping Talent....the future of your business.

I am often staggered by the imbalance between the huge amount of money, man hours and effort that is spent on marketing, branding and selling product compared to the employer brand in many businesses and indeed the flippant way that some significant decision makers talk about candidates, recruitment spend and the concept of employer brand generally. Strangely in my experience they also seem to be the first to blame the candidates, the labour market and their line managers for causing vacancies and turnover and not being able to retain people! 

Of course the easy answer is that there is a lot of talent to pick from just now with qualifications and unemployment both high but the best talent still have a wide scope options for their career path and career partners. Generation Y particularly (and the Gen X talent who share the Gen Y career values of mobility, training, social conscience and career chapters of two years at a time) want to connect with an employer with an employer brand and EVP that they can relate to, trust and believe in.

The brutal truth is that your recruitment web-page, career fair presentation, adverts in that grad magazine or flier must quickly create an engagement and must communicate the right messages to your target talent and this is where relying on having famous, elite or successful sales and product brand is not enough. It is also not enough to just do what everyone else does and hope it works.

Employer Brand, Employer Value Proposition, Attraction Strategy...they all eventually merge into one simple question; what is it like to work here? And the challenge is whether we as employers we can represent that answer honestly, clearly and attractively to those that will be asking it. 

Short films of your staff telling their stories and enjoying their work embedded into your recruitment web-site will work brilliantly if done well – if done badly they can blow the whole deal – authenticity is key here. Show how it really is, not a saccharin rose tinted version because after 3 months your recruited talent will leave and you’ll have to start over and spend again!

Try augmenting your main brand with something specific to your employer brand – a strap line that compliments the main product / client brand but also retains an identity that can be communicated to the talent you need. The best company web-sites winning the NORA Awards each year have energy, freshness and a genuine feel about them that succeeds in really engaging with their target talent. Social media means if you get it right then people will know about you and your vacancies very quickly.

Then once your chosen talent is in the door you then need to start working even harder to prove that you can walk the talk and deliver on the promises you made in attracting them. Cost per head is important for sure but of all the recruitment metrics for me it’s the most short sighted; tenure, turnover and exit interview analysis tell you so much more in a period when the best candidates are still very picky about who they associate their brand with and they are happy to walk away if you don’t fulfil your part of the bargain and they will tell others in the most powerful way ever through social media where ‘likes’ and personal recommendations are everything.

It is I guess really important to ensure that anything you do in this space you do with 100% commitment because the whole rounded, detailed, authentic and considered brand that you represent to the candidate world has to work, has to make sense and stand the ultimate test – someone joining you and working for you, staying with you and saying good things about you while they are with you and afterwards.

Just as with your product brand there is no point saying that you make the best shoes in the world, comfortable, good looking and well-made if they fall apart after a few miles of walking! Employer Brand and subsequent talent management is worth intelligent, considered and long term spend every time.... 




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Saturday, May 4, 2013

Flying the Flag For EI


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Unfortunately we had to remove yesterday's post however the next post in our guest week isn’t really a guest post.  The eagle eyed amongst you will have noticed Paul Goring’s post wasn’t published recently, but as I didn’t want you to miss out on it, here it is... and as Paul was a guest writer once, he sort of counts! (Ed Scrivener)


Flying the Flag For EI 
(in a business world where Profit and Rules can mask the People Element)

Emotional Intelligence a pair of words that generate powerful  responses from the whole spectrum of managers and employees ranging from ‘what is it?’ to ‘yes but can they do the job’ and lots of opinion in between. I am a big fan of the use of EI exploration in particular in coaching, staff development and in some instances as part of a recruitment process.

Since 1985 when the splendidly named Wayne Pain introduced the term in his doctoral dissertation the interest in and amount written about EI has gone through the roof. Focusing on and testing something other than pure intelligence (IQ) or learned or innate skills has opened up a whole new field of personal development and management development which I am fascinated by.

The splendid broad brush stroke definition from Jo Maddocks of Cheltenham based JCA Limited gets you interested immediately   “EI is the practice of thinking about feeling and feeling about thinking when choosing what to do.” How wonderful is that! We are talking about actually taking the time and trouble to consider feelings in your decision making process; how you feel, how others might feel and what the consequences of your decision might be for yourself and others....

What intrigues me is the tension that this might create in a world where profit and compliance are kings; doing things to make money and to adhere to the current industry rules are part of what the business world is today but what introducing EI into the mix does is put the human element, the interactions and relationships that glue together organisations and define brand and working environment, back on the agenda.

The film As Good As Its Gets  has a profoundly touching moment when Jack Nicholson (Melvin Udall) tells Helen Hunt  (Carol Connelly) ‘You make me want to be a better man’ and that for me sums up how EI can work. Excusing boorish, aggressive and damaging behaviour because of the need for results, the consequence of pressure or that it is ‘just the way he/she is’; is for me a pretty mediaeval way of going about managing and understanding people interactions.

I am not commercially naive, I have been running my own company for 6 years; and I do genuinely feel that managers that have an awareness of their EI profile and who are conscious of what they need to do better and who are trying to be ‘better people’ will ultimately get more from the relationships and staff resource than those who just use metrics and consequences. But it can be a tough pitch to deaf ears...

The balance between Regard For Self and Regard For Others is a central theme in EI exploration and achieving a conscious attempt to balance and understand the two is central to moving forwards. What is great about EI is that unlike IQ which is broadly fixed after a certain age is that with thought and a conscious awareness it is something you can work on, develop and improve and that is powerful stuff.

As a tool in career coaching, management and leadership development, EI has been and continues for me to be a window into another sort of conversation and awareness that reconnects people with what perhaps we have gradually forgotten about which is that people can be fantastically generous, warm and understanding to each other and when that happens teams work better.

The commonly seen comments in Exit Interview answers or maybe in interview answers to the question ‘why are you looking to change jobs’ often orientate towards relationships with colleagues / managers, the way organisations treat people and the sense of not feeling valued. Under performance, dissatisfaction and turnover all cost money, so for even in the most bottom line orientated business / industry it really is worth looking at EI as a positive tool for change.

The people element of manager / leader / staff relationships still remains key and I am sure EI awareness is the bridge to help us to reconnect with how being a ‘better’ person can often have positive business consequences and make life so much more enjoyable even under pressure.     



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Monday, February 18, 2013

Employer Brand & Gen Y


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We welcome another new writer that you’ll recognise from previous guest posts.  Paul Goring completes our Gloucestershire trio with a fantastic piece on employer branding. (Ed Scrivener)


Employer Brand & Gen Y

Regardless of the state of the labour market, we all know that attracting and keeping the top talent in any sector is still tough. The phrase Employer Brand has been around since it was first coined in I guess the 90’s and as Minchington (2005) said, it is all aboutthe image of your organisation as a great place to work,’ which is all fantastic as a concept until you start to look more closely at what that means and ask questions like; for who, how much will changing things cost and what is the bottom line business benefit?

So perhaps you know that your Employer Brand needs your attention and that the business needs to accept that people choose employers for a range of reasons...blank piece of paper time; What is it like to work here? The first and biggest question of the whole piece I think because you are now going to have to introduce the idea of generational preference because different people of different ages or generation types choose employers and more importantly stay with employers for very different reasons?

I will come clean; my focus professionally in this sphere was on Generation Y, working for a big pan-Global insurance business I was asked to help the business answer the huge question of ‘how do we attract and retain sufficient top level talent from the top schools globally’ this meant understanding, talking to, researching and reaching out to Generation Y and specifically looking at what they really want from an employer and what might encourage them to hang around for a few years.

The list of ‘must have’s’ for that top talent globally was indeed a revelation. Using a mixture of focused Exit Interviews, round table discussions and travelling to many careers events around Europe the list became very consistent in its content.

What did Gen Y want from an employer? Well salary was not at the top of the list; quality training, career mobility, flexible working, information and environment all featured in their top ten and we did something about them all because they were all things that could be focused on and worked into our offering and indeed most existed already but were not being communicated well enough or in the right way.

So you move heaven and earth to change the way that your future talent sees your business in terms of your Employer Brand but what do the Gen X and Baby Boomers that you employ already think about that? Is it possible for you to develop your Employer Brand and not impact the people who work for you and do a great job but who also want and need different things from you as their employer and who would define a ‘great place to work’ very differently from Gen Y.  What about your non-Gen Y candidates too? How can you possibly be all things to all men...

The crux of the problem I believe.  I think that www.employerbrandingtoday.com have some very interesting things to say on the issue and appealing to the right people in the right way without trying to appeal to everyone is one of their key messages. Your EVP (Employer Value Proposition) is a unique set of offerings, associations and values that should be cross generational and coalesce into your Employer Branding both looking outwards and inwards to be truly congurent and effective; there is no point saying something to candidates that you would not be prepared to say to your current staff.

The process of reviewing, understanding and honing your Employer Brand and then allowing it to evolve and be informed by what staff and candidates think is alot tougher than it appears because afterall how easy is it to create a ‘great place to work’ anyway?




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Thursday, March 29, 2012

Beware of Big Brother


Welcome to this week’s Discuss HR, the HR blog written for and by members of Human Resources UK.

This week there is good news and bad news.  The good news is that there is no long winded introduction; the bad news is that it is my turn to write the blog post!  Today I have written about how job seekers really need to be aware how they use social media as they could be harming their chances of securing work. (Ed Scrivener)

Beware of Big Brother

I suppose the title should read “Beware the Big Brothers” as I do feel any sane person should run from the recurring reality show, never mind the haunting original Orwellian Big Brother!  But in this instance this Big Brother is the spying eye of your future employer.

I am sure you are all aware of numerous cases of people not being hired, or even fired, due to the content of their Facebook account.  Scantily clad photos or referring to your current boss in unflattering terms is often the sure fire way of not being offered the new job.  Quite frankly though, I am sure 99% of you reading this are fully aware that you shouldn’t undertake such practices so I am not going to preach to the converted, instead my focus is on a more subtle area.

You will be reading this either via LinkedIn, Twitter or directly via the blog site.  In which case, you will have a certain level of understanding about the world of social media.  One of the key aspects about social media, in whatever guise you look at it, is that what you post is there for the world to see and invariably will be there to see forever.  It is with this in mind that I ask you to think about how you use social media and to be aware of the long term repercussions.

In recent months I have become increasingly shocked by the content added by job seekers to various social media mediums.  They haven’t been posting scantily clad photos (although some people’s LinkedIn profile photos are wholly inappropriate!), likewise, they haven’t been tweeting about how they hate HR whilst looking for an HR Manager role (although again you’d be surprised!).  These job seekers have been involved in posting what appears to be professional content, be it via URLs or simply partaking in a forum discussion.  However, when you scratch beneath the surface the content they are using does not paint them in a positive light.  Essentially what they are doing is complaining about certain professional related facets, for example tweeting they just had an interview with someone “rather boring”!  As it has been stated that over 80% of potential employers will do a search on applicants social media presence this kind of tweet is not going to be received well (especially if you are the boring person reading it!).

Don't get caught whinging!
The example I have cited is a more extreme case which again I feel most of you would know not to do.  However, there are further examples where job seekers may not understand the negative impact their content may have.  Searching for work can be an extremely frustrating process, we all know recruiters and companies alike can have rather dubious recruitment processes that leave us angry.  I believe it is good for the soul to air your frustrations as it puts them behind you.  But it is important these frustrations are aired in private with your closet friends and not in a public arena where anyone, especially the hiring manager reviewing your CV can read them.  A few months ago, a rather honest contact of mine explained to me that he had Googled a person he was due to interview and found numerous comments by that person on a variety of sites and he stated that she just came across as whining, something he really didn’t want in his team.  Whilst he didn’t say as much, I am sure he would have gone into the interview with that preconception the person was a whiner, regardless of whether that was the truth.  Again this is probably an extreme example, but it does go to show how content can have a negative impact.

It is also very important that your content matches up to what you actually feel or verbally state.  I interviewed someone recently whose comments to me verbally where at complete opposites to their social media content.  This left me rather confused as to what I should believe and what the person’s genuine thoughts were and as such it was only natural that I then cast doubts on the credibility of other statements they made.

If you are not sure of the level of impact this can have why don’t you try Googling yourself or a colleague.  You will be amazed about how much you can find and how easy it is to do.  This is what 80% of hiring managers do...

A casual look at my LinkedIn profile or for those that know me, will know I am a HUGE fan of social media.  It is has now been adopted as the central theme to how I work, simply put, I think it’s fantastic!  So this is not an attempt by me to put you off the medium, as I firmly believe you will gain far more than you will lose by using social media.  Instead, it is just to err caution when you are posting to think how that comment could be received.  Written communication is renowned for being misunderstood, so try to understand the different ways your comments can be read before you vent your spleen!

About the author
Ed is an HR recruitment specialist and social media trainer.  He holds over 8 years industry specific experience recruiting mainly for middle and senior HR management positions. He stumbled upon social media a few years ago and has since become passionate about the subject.  He now trains companies and individuals alike in social media techniques. He is the Group Manager of Human Resources UK and Editor of Discuss HR and occasionally his humour will creep into articles!

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Thursday, September 29, 2011

A graduate’s first job – who benefits most?


Welcome to this week’s Discuss HR, the HR blog written by members of Human Resources UK.

Well this week the group has been discussing HR like no other week.  Today’s article comes hot on the heels of yesterday’s networking events in London and Bristol and will shortly be followed by tonight’s event in Birmingham. By the end of today over 100 of our members will have met! So, thank you to all of you who attended.

Today’s article is an exceptionally relevant piece due to the current state of the recruitment market.  It is rare that a week goes by without further figures highlighting the poor state of the graduate recruitment market.  Today experienced career coach and engagement specialist Paul Goring looks at who is the main beneficiary of a graduate job; the graduate or the employer?  (Ed Scrivener)


A graduate’s first job – who benefits most?

So, the recession is bad for the graduate job market we hear; less jobs than ever before (AGR survey 2010 says vacancies down by 25%), the average salary seems to have been stuck at £25,000 for a couple of years and the number of graduates competing for each job is rising all of the time.

Student debt is putting increasing pressure on salary expectations and job security concerns mean that even where graduates are in work the majority constantly looking for the next step in their careers (70% in a recent US survey). We are constantly having our heart strings tugged by the media and student bodies about how tough it is out there for new graduates but perhaps we should take some time to ask the critical question; what about the poor old employers? Admittedly being jobless and having high turnover and poor ROI are very different problems.

I have recruited in the UK and Europe for global financial services and FMCG businesses and graduate recruitment remains, in my opinion, the toughest recruitment decision to consistently get right. Why? Well, because in my view, UK graduate candidates particularly are still demonstrably undercooked in terms of their employability skills and their aspirations.   Also, training demands are typically Generation Y and their global career mobility means picking and keeping the right candidate is getting tougher and tougher.

When recruiting a graduate, one has comparably the least amount of tangible evidence to go on, especially where the essential work experience bit is missing. Plus, one often faces a candidate across the interview table / room who, more often than not, does not really know what you want, or how to show you that they have it....

Hired 1,200 graduates recently
The large recruiters of graduate talent compete, as they always have done, for the top talent with suitably large budgets.  They have well grooved employer brand, attraction, selection and retention strategy and are prepared to lose candidates along the way to get the people their business needs. The big players know that there will be wastage along the way and that their ROI calculation is based on the number that stay, move into senior roles and thrive. 

My concern is for the smaller, less frequent, graduate recruiters. If you want to recruit say 1-5 graduates a year, if you have a fixed small budget and you are not in The Times Top 100 Graduate Employers, how do you start and how do you expect to retain your talent and is it all worth it?

Making an impact with the most brand savvy generation that has ever lived is tough.  Some companies, through genius advertising (Prêt a Manger a few years back) or quirky careers fair strategies, make the connection but it is really tough to pre-empt and positively answer the question ‘who?’ when graduates see your vacancies. Perhaps the brand of the employer is just as crucial as phone, shoes, clothes and car? 

The relationship between recruiter (employer) and graduate employee has evolved at an alarming pace over the past 10 years. Just as there is an ongoing desire to achieve the strongest A Level (Highers) results and Degree classification possible, it seems that the fight is now on to obtain employment with the most creditable blue chip company or household brand company, as quickly as possible, since that seems to be where the superficial career kudos lies. The loyalty factor to the first employer is receding at a rate which must make the employers question their expenditure and look closely at their ROI.

Creating a talent pipe-line is, of course, completely necessary when any business looks at their staff demographics, age top heavy senior positions and lowering retirement ages.  But there is no point having a talent pipeline if the talent never reaches its destination or if the pipe-line springs a leak – that can be an expensive business!

Asking the question ‘why do we recruit graduates?’ is, I think, key. Taking first job graduates is a brave move.  Yes, you get raw talent and, increasingly, the pick of a very big pool of talent but what do you actually get long-term from that strategic decision?

I worked for an SME in the 90’s and in a conversation with one of the senior managers, in my recruitment capacity, I questioned the suitability of a graduate scheme of 12-14 graduates a year for a company of our size (800/850 staff). His view was simple, pointing at one of the rising stars of the business who was walking across the office, he said, ‘if we have to select, recruit, train, develop and lose 13 of the 14 graduates we take on over a two year cycle, if he is the one that we keep and he makes it, then it is worth it.’

That example compares neatly, for me, with the emphasis on the ‘what do we get’ review of graduate recruitment that is now more prevalent especially with many businesses feeling the pinch of the recession and where every penny being spent is scrutinised endlessly. Businesses simply can no longer afford to bring in 15 to get one star and, in fact, more have to realise some tangible return beyond a speculative investment.

Given the combination of a low retention rate, high training costs, high career aspiration levels and salary needs, the temptation must be to sit tight and recruit second jobbers once they have more skills, career focus and sector stability?  But their income expectations will, of course, be higher, there will no doubt be agency costs and no guarantee that you will keep them.  Every choice seems to be a tough one. 

Ernie, the fastest recruiter in the west
I guess that we are all used to the budget review process that inevitably makes us question our strategies, results and whether the metrics we employ to measure success actually gives us more than a simple set of statistics.  We are, as recruiters, resourcers and HR professionals forced to reflect on the way that we do things and question if there is another way and, as a result, I think increasingly the graduate market is becoming a different place. 

Perhaps the next key question is what do we want / need to get from our graduates and what do they expect / need to get from us? I regularly lecture at my local University on the concept of employability and graduate recruitment. One of the best ways to get to the crux of the issue quickly with the final year students who attend is to write on the white board, ‘What do Employers Want’ and ‘What do We Want’ with reference to their careers and especially to their first graduate job, then asking them to construct the two lists.

When, at the end of the session, the group realises, often with great surprise and concern, that few if any of the entries appear on both lists, they then know that we/they have a problem.  Perhaps some of us as graduate recruiters / employers should do the same exercise to hammer home the reality of the situation.  If one party wants marriage and the other a short fling, someone will get hurt.

There used to be a real cache about having a graduate scheme and many employers in the 80’s and 90’s fenced off budget, invested in elaborate training programmes and involved senior management figures to help nurture the talent but it seems, from where I sit, that the market is now very much bipartite.

The elite employers and students continue with their courtship but the rest of the market are having to focus much more on matching not just skills and potential but also price, asking themselves ‘how much to train and retain’ and then crucially ‘is it worth it?’

About the author
Paul was the Recruitment Manager at Endsleigh Insurance until 2007 when he moved to Paris for two years and became the external consultant on AXA Insurances' Global Talent Acquisition Strategy Review Team which led to extensive Generation Y, Employer Brand, candidate engagement and career event research across Europe. In 2009 Paul returned to the UK and founded Consortio Recruitment Solutions Limited, which he is at pains to emphasise is not an agency! Primarily they are focused on helping businesses find and keep talented people through process review, employer branding focus and management skills training. Consortio are also active in the FE and HE market, helping improve student employability skills. Paul also heads up another business, The Brand Button, this is a workshop & training based business focusing on personal, business and career development through personal branding. Paul is a member of the Association of Graduate Recruiters, the Institute of Recruitment Professionals and is also qualified with the British Psychological Society to Level B int.

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